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Mate, we're talking about the BROWSER MARKET. Even assuming Ladybird somehow gains 100% of that market, completely kicking out anything Chromium related, it has ZERO bearing on who people choose for their host! Cloudflare currently has around 20% of *that* market, and if Ladybird - today - goes up ...

This is like saying "the duopoly that reigns the water is Maersk and Smartwater", two companies that do completely different things that just happen to be related to water...

What's not bad? Ladybird sitting at floor-leves of market share? If we want to threaten the status quo in any way, it absolutely is. Firefox has 2.26% and - in terms of defining standards or forcing changes upon Chromium - it's 100% irrelevant.

> By being a monopoly How so? There are dozens of website hosts and DDOS protection services around. > having a unique chokehold on the internet Have they ever utilised it in any extent? > Even if we don’t get into their ties with various governments that they inevitably have to have That sound...

> Ladybird is not threatened to be killed by whatever anybody but the developers do. It absolutely is. If Google forces incompatibility on it (like it did with Edge) ordinary users won't switch. Because the majority of ordinary users are still deep in the ecosystem. All it takes is for Google to b...

But... they did blacklist Kiwifarms? In 2022.

It's such a weird mix of people with very strong opinions on topics they're extremely ignorant about here, on Lemmy. I was first shocked to see it on the Technology community. I thought that, since Lemmy (and fediverse in general) is relatively difficult to get into, it'd attract more tech-savvy pe...

Semantics. I agree with you in principle, but the matter of fact is that *we* ended up with effectively zero choice over the browser engine.

I agree. That being said... Internet has changed. What used to be a private, personal space for a bunch of nerds, became yet another aspect of "real life". Banks live here, streaming services, whole companies exist solely online, most of the world's finances is done online, etc., etc. Unless you...

Not what I meant. Microsoft - in theory - had the finances to push their browser to peoples homes. Be it by baking it in to Windows, by ad campaigns, etc., etc. And they still lost to Google's control over the Web. Ladybird, by comparison, is an obscure no-name product, being made by a controversi...

> Personally, I think if the engine was closed source, then we didn’t in fact “had that”. Maybe Microsoft had it, not us. Well, yeah, in that aspect, you're correct. I meant that as a "we had a non Google-reliant engine".

Why?

There's a ***massive*** gap between "mandatory ID" and "like China", mate. Most of central Europe has mandatory IDs. Nobody gives a fuck because nobody who checks them has the time to report anything anywhere.

How did the literal best DDOS protection on the planet and the provider of a very safe and secure DNS suck?

> Even the screenshots and audio recordings only have anonymous tracking IDs Nothing like that exists, mate. The Recall thing is local-only, nothing is being tracked or sent to MS. How do we know that? Because there's about a billion security engineers poring over every single bit of data sent out...

"Tracking"? How do you use an ID for tracking? I mean, sure, digital ID would allow that in some way (although that's already fully possible with other means), but a physical ID?

Remind me, which browser is Cloudlfare making?

Yeah, I get that, but is just the case of "we're against it *because* it's mandatory"? Like, you're not against the concept of an ID, just the fact that it's mandatory? Why is that? What's malicious about it?

You can try using it. It will crash most of the time, but it's technically already usable.

Why is Cloudflare suddenly the enemy on Lemmy?

Ironically, we already had that - Microsoft's first version of Edge was using their own engine. On release, it had the highest W3C compatibility score. Google started shitting on it (including things like serving clear HTML version of Gmail because "the browser is outdated" if it detected the Edge ...

Oh, wow! As someone who was born and raised in a country that had IDs for just shy of 100 years - what's the logic behind that?

Honest question: why are people against digital ID? What are the fundamental differences between that and a physical ID?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Microsoft provides software or hardware that facilitates shooting anything.

> Isn’t that the whole point of Windows 11? Mass surveillance of your userbase? 🤔 No. Anonymous telemetry that tells you what percent of users clicked a button is not surveillance.